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I was searching Ebay and i came across a CD that has the DeMolay and Rainbow rituals available on CD... Ritual CD on Ebay

This is being put out from a press company...
$2.00 per cd... not too bad.... but I don't want to know the Rainbow ritual unless i become a parent (Way down the road) or an advisor.
I kind of am feeling a bit weird about it, seeing as how i dont think it is DI that is putting it out and taking the money off it..
Good idea, but I'd rather type it MYSELF (which I have been doing) or get it from DI. And not with the Rainbow ritual.
Thoughts?

Fraternally,

Well, from a quick look at their "store" - G P Booksellers it appears that they are scanning older (but not OLD) Masonic texts and selling them.

The work does indicate that it is the 1930's ritual, so it will not be "exactly" the same as it is now.

Actually, as a former Rainbow Advisor, I can tell you that the Rainbow work is very nice.

S&F,
Dad Blaisdell

I have also seen that CD on Ebay. The DeMolay Ritual on it is from the 1930's. I e-mailed the people selling them and they told me that the CD has the DeMolay Ritual, Rainbow Ritual, and the Rainbow Secret Work on it in .pdf format.

Dad Joseph Thompson
Charleston Chapter
Charleston, SC

The world is fastly becoming a paperless society, well at least a society were most of what we read is transmitted by technological means. Research, news, work, entertainment - speaking for myself I do most of my reading online. When I do use paper materials I often find them frustrating, for example I recently got a book from the Library via interlibrary loan. The book was published in 1890 and I was looking for specific information - I was really missing the [Find on the Page] option that a PDF file would have given me.

I live in Appalachia, not exactly a technological center of the U.S., but even in the remote corners of the U.S. access to computers is fairly common. DeMolay Rituals have been available online and in some old book stores for sometime. A determined person who wanted to see it could, while that is not sometime I want to facilitate, it is something I have accepted. I do not think putting Ritual on CDs would make them any more available to the non-DeMolay public.

Putting new DeMolay Ritual & Ceremonies on a CD seems logical to me, it would be cost effective for one thing. I would not even object to Floor work on DVD, it sure would be easier to understand then graphics and photos. It seems like DI is overlooking a valuable and common way of teaching, by limiting ritual to hard copy.

Short form ritual could even be replaced with a DVD of the work, with the obligation being given live. But I would not want to make it habit, but primarily instructive. Chapters should only be allowed to use the DVD with EO permission to prevent abuse, but I think most DeMolay Chapters are above that anyway and would use the video as a coaching tool only.

Any State Councilors out there willing to discuss with DI?

The Northern Masonic Jurisdiction of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite has recently changed to having all their rituals published on CD. No more paper copies -- if someone can't read an electronic file, then the Valley office just prints off what is needed.

S&F,
Ron Blaisdell

Well, I bought their 'Morals and Doggma' cd form their ebay listing. I'll see how good it is when it arrives.

I think that a DVD of the floor work would be greatly beneficial. Especially the chaplain, marshal walking and the Marshal, Stewards parts. It is very hard to understand from reading and also looks great when done correctly. I would purchase a Ritual CD but would never sacrifice the value of the actual book. I like the idea of having the monitor online but do not like the idea of having the monitor ONLY online.

I would buy a Floorwork DVD for my chapter and would suggest it to others.

I am currently scanning with an OCR(optical character recongnition) system..

Please contact me if you would like to get more information on this.......!

P.S. Its only for the good of the Order

Respectfully,
John M
South Bay Chapter
Oasis District
Southrn California Jurisdiction
Order of DeMolay

I personally wouldn't mind seeing the floorwork on DVD either, and as Craig said, the floorwork is very difficult to understand on some parts just from reading the book. But I'm the kind of person who can memorize by hearing things. I'd love to see a Ritual on an audio CD, which would of course come with a book.

Who knows, maybe I'm just odd, but I'd love to see it like that.

Perhaps I'm a bit conservative. But I think the real issue here is piracy and copywrite infringement.

The owners, according to DI By-laws, of our rituals remains DI.

Unless the folks, who are selling the CD's, have written permission from DI to copy and distribute them, they are breaking the law. And anyone who buys from is, technically, an accessory.

I am sure that DI will eventually come out with and e-version of the ritual. But untill they do, our chapter will stick with the hard copy version printed and distributed the the only legal publisher.

I think we're not talking about the same thing. I mean like an AUDIO cd. Like a _George_Strait_ CD. Something where you can listen to each individual part For Example

Track 1 - Opening Ceremony
Track 2 - Closing Ceremony

Etc.

Not just something on disc that you can read, but that you can hear. That's how I memorize songs, not by reading their lyrics over and over, but by listening to them. That's what I took "Ritual available on CD" to mean.

And yes, with permission from DI would be the only way to do it. Legalities are horrible.

Cody - I was referring to earlier posts that talked about the rituals available on CD in a .pdf format. These are, from what I saw on ebay, scanned and burned onto a data CD.

As to your suggestion of putting the Ritual on an audio CD, I think that's something that DI should consider.

Dad Itz - Ah... I see, I apologize then if I sounded rude in my post then. I would almost think that a .pdf would be almost pointless if the Ritual Books are still in circulation, but that's just me. Plus, in a .pdf format would make it so that they can be copied endlessly, which goes against the rules stated inside the book.

But I'm glad to know that others also like the idea of an audio cd, I've talked to a few guys in my chapter and they think that it would be cool as well.

I would like to hear others opinions on this though. It's nice to see discussion on here.

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Originally posted by WMHart_2005:
I was searching Ebay and i came across a CD that has the DeMolay and Rainbow rituals available on CD

Someone took objection to it; it's been pulled.

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Originally posted by Ron Blaisdell:
Well, from a quick look at their "store" - G P Booksellers

The store is closed.

DI should do this if for no other reason than to profit. Why have people profit from our work? It would be a worth while resource and I'd rather see the money go to DI than to private citizens. Even though it is down, was the 1930s ritual with or without the extended demolay degree?

Only a "talking point", but the people who were offering this CD had obtained a copy of a 1930's version of our Ritual. I purchased a copy of their CD to check what they were doing.

Adam, I will revisit the CD tonight and let you know what version it was.

I am not sure if we can assert Copyright on a document that old which has been changed many times over the years since it was current.

There are actually THREE versions of the DeMolay Degree:

The Original, (which I believe is wat you mean by "Extended" Adam) which includes a lot of extra dialog between Guy and Jacques, and does NOT have DeMolay leave the Chamber, at any time, during the Degree.

The Short, which has no other Prisioners but which does introduce the aspect of DeMolay departing and returning during the Degree.

and

The Modern, which returns the full compliment of Prisoners, etc, while retaining the new concepts from the Short Version.

Note: In restoring parts of the Original, which had been cut from the Short, several logical disconnects entered into the Modern version of the Degree. E.G.: Guy, speaking of "Before the vote is taken", when there has been no talk of any vote, and none ever happens; or the Orator saying "As thou didst salute us in these times of ours...", which refers to some Original dialog which is still missing from the Modern Version.

Fraternally,

D.

Hello brethren; I am a Senior DeMolay, personally i don't agree that our secret demolay ritual should be made available in CD forms & can be down loaded in the internet anytime. Even though it is an old edition but still most of the secret forms & words are practically the same. It is alright to make it available to non-demolays if it is for public ceremonies but not the secret works. We may not be a secret society but we should also remember demolays who received the word & the grip inside the chapter room are the only legitimate brother demolay & not those who just got it from the internet. We only have few secrets in demolay & we should keep it as it is. Not even my wife & my sons knew the secrets of our order until they became one. If this will continue some day we will meet a demolay from the INTERNET CHAPTER sponsored by INTERNET LODGE.

In the Philippines, most of the members joined demolay on thier own free will. And to become a demolay a petitioner must prove himself that he deserves to receive a white balls.

The Ritual that was available on those CDs, by East River Press, or so they said, as far as the DeMolay one goes, was the Fifth Edition from 1930.

A nice piece of DeMolay history for those of us unable to snag an actual printed copy off of ebay or elsewhere. And at least the quality of the scanning and reproduction in "pdf" format was very good.

Personally i would actually like to see The DeMolay Ritual on a cd Copy, BUT that you must prove in someway that you are a DeMolay in order to get one because like one of the other DeMolays said (I forget which one) that they remember songs by listening to it so do i so it would be a lot easier to do that, And the DVD Idea is a good idea also i think DI Should really take this into consideration, But this is just my opinion.