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Can anyone tell me why DeMolay Chapters don't exist in China?
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Consider the opposite form of the question... "Why do DeMolay Chapters exist anywhere?"
Someone, probably a Freemason, made a committment to start a DeMolay Chapter there, and a group of Freemasons got involved, and a Chapter got started. The person responsible may have been a Senior DeMolay who moved to that country, or not. DeMolay has existed in many countries in the past, in the form a small number of Chapters, where due to changing circumstances, those Chapters have ceased to exist. In other countries, like yours, it has propsered and grown. The answer to why DeMolay Chapters don't exist in China is that no Freemasons Lodges in China have started them. If you are specifically speaking of the People's Republic of China, I am not sure that any Lodges of Freemasons are allowed to exist there, which would also make DeMolay impossible. |
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Yes, I'm fully aware of your thoughts. I posted this topic to hear more thoughts regarding why DeMolay doesn't exist in China? Is it also because of the wrong interpretation and judgement by a number of people regarding DeMolay due to anti-masonic movements? What some people think about those under freemasonry. Those negative misjudgment about us. Even here in the Philippines we still have problems regarding the perception of a number of people about freemasonry.
www.freewebs.com/demolaydumaguete slide show Inside the lodge revival of DeMOlay in Dumaguete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohb83DDqcLE Outside the lodge ( DeMolay Community service activities) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ0uAg2tAqI |
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Louie,
The Philippines is the only Catholic nation in Asia. The people are 90% Catholics. You are also a Catholic, I pressume. |
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Freemason activities were “suspended”, in 1951, on mainland China due to the civil war between the Communist factions and the KMT Government, which went into exile in Taiwan.
Due to this “suspension” Masonic Lodges and their associated elements were unable to meet as the Communist government viewed any social group as subversive. |
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good fact.
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I am sorry if this has already been discussed. Probably there are so many reasons why not all countries have DeMolay Chapters - one is maybe there is no Masonic Bodies in there to Sponsor a Chapter.
With regards to this topic, I would like to ask the following: 1. Is there a Law of the Countries (Communist or what?), not allowing formation of an Organization? 2. Is there a provision in the Masonic Constitution in establishing a Masonic Lodge in Countries who are a Communist one or what? 3. Are there actually existing Masonic Lodges in Communist Countries or the like? _______________________ This is in order to answer, why do DeMolay Chapters does not exist anywhere? I personally know, Order of DeMolay can make a difference! For the development of the Youth and of our Country in the Future... If there will be more DeMolays, there will be more people that will have a better perspective of the World they are living in. Thanks a lot! Bro. Ilad Remo, PMC " Let us be true to our Solemn Obligations as DeMolay. For God. For. Country. And For DeMolay." |
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There are no DeMolay chapters in communist countries because there are no Masonic lodges or bodies that exist to sponsor them.
Of course, communist countries have strict guidelines concerning the formation of organizations or fraternities. Masonic bodies can exist in any country, where Freemasonry is not prohibited. Due to the wrong impression about Freemasonry today, there are no known Masonic organizations in communist countries that can form or survive. |
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Thanks. So there are actually countries prohibiting formation of Organizations such as FM merely becoz of their wrong impression today?
Is this actually stated in their Constitution? This might not be the same, bu I remember, in the 2nd World War and in the times the Philippines is under Marshal(l) Law, FM remain to function and more Chapters are intituted... As what you have said FM can exist in any country, where they are not prohibited... How about in Islamic Countries? Do the said Country prohibits formation of the Lodges or it is the other way around... I know its a bit beyond for the DeMolay topic, but somehow, at least we will have wider view why it is with regards with this discussion? Fraternally yours, Bro. Ilad Remo, PMC " Let us be true to our Solemn Obligations as DeMolay. For God. For. Country. And For DeMolay." |
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And in some places the prevailing government does not allow Masonry or DeMolay legally because they have all too accurate an idea of what we stand for.
I have always been proud to belong to organizations hated equally by Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, and all other dictators and autocrats. As to the question of existing where Masonry is not legal, Lodges have survived surpression in Communist and other countries for many decades, witness the Lodges which surfaced in Russia after both the Tsarist and Communist srupressions. The story of the "Blue Forget-Me-Not" comes from the Nazi era in Germany and all of Eurpoe. D. |
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It is incorrect that Freemasonry cannot exist in countries that prohibit it. In many countries freemasonry does exist despite it's prohibition. And in some rare cases communist regimes will allow freemasonry such as Cubas Fidel Castro. However their activities are severely restricted.
An underground Freemasons lodge can hardly sponsor a youth group however. What responsible adult would purposefully put young mens lives in danger? M.M. Onion Creek Lodge #220 Austin, TX |
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Thanks for the infos... So it is mostlikely okay for Masonry to exist anywhere (legally or underground), but cannot completely sponsor youth groups that may endanger the lives of the youth in the long run...
There are also countries that would discourages/prohibits establishment of FM because of different idea we stand for. But, would you think there is small possibility to put Lodges in Islamic Countries? And maybe also Chapters in the future...? Because I havent still heard Chapters/Lodges in Islamic Countries. Maybe I am wrong. But if it is a fact that there is none, I would kindly ask why? I know we are not religious organization, as long you believe in a Supreme Being anyone can join the Order of DeMolay... And I believe our Virtues and Ethics are universally accepted for the better development of oneself... Like in the Philippines, in our meeting where we have Muslim Members or Dad Advisors present, we put at the Altar both Quran and the Holy Bible. Both will be opened in the Meeting. I am just interested to really spread the leadership programs of the Order all over the World and look for the possiblities to realize this dream. And this will start with an "Idea". If all of us know whats the do's and dont's in the process, so there will be no misinfformed or missunderstood points of views. So we can have the "Action" to push thru and achieve our "Dream" for a better tomorrow. Thanks for the help. To all our Brother DeMolays, Dads, Moms, Sisses, Family and Friends, in behalf of my Family, I greet you a warm and prosperous New Year! God Bless us all! For God. For Country. For DeMolay. Sincerely Yours, BRO. WILLARDO S. REMO, JR., PMC, PP San Pedro Chapter, Order of DeMolay A. Mabini Chapter, Order of DeMolay Katabay DeMolay Alumni Chapter No. 29 DeMolay Alumni Association of the Philippines " Let us be true to our Solemn Obligations as DeMolay. For God. For. Country. And For DeMolay." |
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Brother,
There are Islamic countries where Freemasonry exists, perhaps rather low-key, and there have been some Islamic Freemasons who have been high profile members of their culture. We have never had a problem with an Islamic DeMolay and I have known a few. It is more a problem with some of the Islamic governments, and some of the radical clerics in Islamic countries, who preach hate of anything non-Islamic. This is ironic, since the Koran teaches that "people of the Book", meaning Christians and Jews, although they believe wrongly (in the view of the Islamic teaching) worship the same God, in their own way, as the Islamics do, and that they are not to be molested or harrassed, unless they engage in war against the Islamic countries. The Koran itself names Jesus as a Prophet, but denies that he was devine. DeMolay was once establish in Iran, before the late revolution, and even had an Iranian Supreme Council, which was working on a modified Ritual, to better suit the culture. All this was lost, as was so much, in the destruction of war. |
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Brother Ilad,
Manigong Bagong Taon! (Happy New Year!) Salamat (Thanks), Pinoynabrodako
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Happy New Year too Bro Pinoynabrodako!
---------------------- One more thing, I really think one reason for a difficult acceptance "maybe" by the Islamic Community is the namesake of the Order. Becoz of what of the Knights Templar stand for during the Crusades. I hope not... But in our Country, there are lots of Muslim Brothers really been inspired by the life of the namesake and enjoyed the leadership programs of the Order. For me, I hope that would not be a hindrance but rather they could visualize its better effects to the development of the Youth. Fraternally, Bro. Ilad Remo, PMC " Let us be true to our Solemn Obligations as DeMolay. For God. For. Country. And For DeMolay." |
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wala lang..
ive learn alot from the post.. thnx brothers! specially to u Bro. Ilad Remo we misses you! frm: JASC DeMolays Manila, Philippines Bro. Marlon Buenaventura SC term 2008a JASC |
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There is not really an answer. It doesn;t exist because still nobody has had the opportunity to meet the right person that will start demolay in china.
Vito PSMC Italy MC Valley Hills (California) |
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