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Brethren,

I just wanted to voice out an idea of forming a PMC Guild.. It will be the duty of this guild to advice the incumbent master councilor for his term for the good of the chapter.. I just wanted to hear your comments on this idea.. Thanks..

I know from one of my books that in some masonic jurisdictions, lodges have an immediate past master. his job is to instruct the incoming master of his duties. if masonry did it, we can!

Bro. Joev,

where did you get this idea of forming a PMC Guild?does this Guild has jurisdiction over the Incumbent Master Councilor?jurisdiction in the sense that can this group influence or persuade a Master Councilor or even listen to your advices?

Bro TanWiBing,

I've gotten the idea from our dad masons... Because the lodges here in the philippines have their own Past Masters Guild.. The guild has no jurisdiction or power to the incumbent MC but rather could help and give advice for the term plan of the MC and would be like a screening committee for those who wanted to lead the chapter... The main purpose of this guild is promoting the chapters welfare and they would act as like a Council of the Elders.. wherein they would have a close watch over the active members...

Of course the PMC Guild is still under the advisory council and the chapter dad...

Bro. Joev,

does this Guild has been recognized by your Supreme Council?so you mean,every Chapter has its own PMC Guild?why do still create a Guild, if you can just improve the associate advisory council of every Chapter which compose of the Senior DeMolays?

No bro.. The PMC Guild is still in the process... The problem of having associate advisors are that they are all composed of Senior DeMolays.. And somteimes they could not focus to the chapter because of their jobs and other responsibilities.. It will also the duty of the guild to establish the standard of the MC.. on ritual and etc... I'm just thinking if our dad masons have those Past Master Guild y not the demolays adopt the same concept..

Bro. joev,

standard of MC on ritual and etc...pls give me the meaning of a Standard of MC on rituals and etc..?i think the Associate advisor more knowlegealbe when it comes to holding or running the Chapter because of their experience.who will become the members of this group?is it by Chapter or by jurisdiction?

What i'm trying to say is that the standard of how to deliver his part of the ritual... It is the duty of the MC to inspire the members of the chapter... To be a role-model... I am also an Associate Advisor of our chapter and i believe that it would be appropriate for every chapter... I believe that if the PMC's of the chapter would advice the incumbent MC on how to handle and the PMC's would propose all the successful activities during their term it would improve the MC every term.. Remember that every MC has a different term plan so the purpose of the PMC Guild is to guide the chapter into one path... The members of the group would be all the PMC of the Chapter.. Then just like any committee there will be a president.. It could be the oldest PMC in the group.. Then just like the Past Masters Guild of the Masons that have a Grand Past Masters Guild, it will also be adopted and the head of that will be the IMC... It will also be under the DeMolay Congress

I think it's a great idea! As a Past Master Councilor, I know that DeMolay is about following your leaders and learning to lead after they are gone.

BUT we are based on following our peers. Our advisors advise us, not do the work for us. If we always run to an associate advisor, then what will our younger men learn?

They are supposed to look up to us, the MC and PMC's, to lead them. If they see us always running off to an advisor when something doesn't go right they'll lose faith in our abilities and eventually in their own.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with occasionally asking advisors for help, but these are OUR Chapters. WE lead them, not the adults.

So find a way to get this PMC Guild running, it's a magnificent idea.

S&F

Thanks... I really would like to hear the ideas and comments so that we could materialize this proposition... More comments brethren especially to our dads here so that we could plan this thing well...

bro joev,

first, for what specific purposes would you propose the creation of a PMC guild? kindly list them down. then ask yourself if the problems that you feel necessitates the creation of a PMC guild cannot be addressed or remedied by having the members shake the dust from their Handbooks and DLRG. the problem with a PMC guild is that it will create a pseudo-legislative body that might bully the MC. also, don't you think it runs counter to the IOs words as he tenders the gavel to the new MC.

please give this proposal more thought.

thanks.

Dad,
the PMC Guild will act as a support group of the chapter.. They will be the immediate manpower of the MC.. They will only be a guide to the incumbent MC... They will have no power over the MC.. It is a fun fellowship with all the MC of the chapter so that they could share all their experiences and could help him only if he ask for help.. In that way the PMCs will be unbiased on the decisions on giving advice because they too are part of the chapter... As we all know each chapters also have different traditions.. In this way they can maintain those traditions that are necessary for the active members..

bro joev,

the functions you mentioned above can all be performed by the PMCs without creating a body for them - they can hold fellowships among themselves, they can provide solicited(!) advice to the incumbent MC, and maintain the "traditions" of the Chapter. i really don't believe the creation of a group especially for them is necessary at this point. keep the bureaucracy lean but mean.

Dad, the only purpose why we wanted the guild because it will organize the ideas or opinion of the PMCs... And it will help the incumbent MC to become an effective leader.. It will give him ideas.. For example, seminars within the chapter will be held by the PMCs who are qualified.. And it will help future aspirants to the MC position... That will be the main purpose of the Guild... Having this guild will organize the group...

i will repeat what i've posted:

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the functions you mentioned above can all be performed by the PMCs without creating a body for them - they can hold fellowships among themselves, they can provide solicited(!) advice to the incumbent MC, and maintain the "traditions" of the Chapter. i really don't believe the creation of a group especially for them is necessary at this point. keep the bureaucracy lean but mean.

if you want these PMCs to pass on their experience to the other members of the Chapter, have them appointed to the committees the MC creates at the start of his term. make sure that when these committees work, the PMCs are there to provide insight and input. again, why create a body when the function that that proposed body is supposed to discharged can be performed by the Chapter. if the PMCs really want to plow back into the Chapter what they've learned during their term, they can always do so. won't these PMCs work if a separate body is not created for them? if that's the case then there really is something wrong with the Chapter and its members. remember, titles are meaningless. it's the job you perform that counts more.

in my jurisdiction we have leadership camps to help the in going and soon to be come mc with installation and how to be a better mc and how to run your chapter effectivly

Bakit ba ninyo pinag-aawayan ang tungkol sa "PMC GUILD"? (Why are you fighting about the creation of "PMC GUILD"?)

Actually, we are discussing now about DeMolay activities in the Philippine jurisdiction.

For me, the creation of a PMC GUILD is a new idea. I believe this is a good idea. This is only an ADVISORY group composed of Past Master Councilors. Just to give advice, what is wrong with that?

I congratulate the brother who brought out this new idea. More power to you!!!

Thanx bro.. Once again the purpose of the Guild is not to overpower the incumbent MC... They are like the Amicus Curiae or Friends of Court in the Supeme Court... They are there to advice and guide the MC... They would also be the historians of the chapter... To maintain the history and traditions of the chapter...

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Originally posted by Pinoynabrodako:
Bakit ba ninyo pinag-aawayan ang tungkol sa "PMC GUILD"? (Why are you fighting about the creation of "PMC GUILD"?)

Actually, we are discussing now about DeMolay activities in the Philippine jurisdiction.

For me, the creation of a PMC GUILD is a new idea. I believe this is a good idea. This is only an ADVISORY group composed of Past Master Councilors. Just to give advice, what is wrong with that?

I congratulate the brother who brought out this new idea. More power to you!!!

Maybe they are not really fighting bout the topic. Just having an intense discussion. hehehe.

Actually, in a proposal of an activity/project, we do really need the opinion of all concerned as much as possible, so that it will be anlyzed properly and soon we could come out with the best plan for it, which is duly acceptable to the body.

Both of them have good point of views. And I believe some how, each of us reading this topic discussion will have a conclusion if we can or not to adopt this idea. Hopefully.

Fraternally,


Bro. Ilad, PMC